barcamp-cork

09 Nov, 2008

The good, the bad and the ugly

Posted by: conor In: Afterwards

Every BarCamp is different and I hope we can learn each time from what went well and what didn’t. I’m going to kick off with a few of my thoughts about last weekend but I’m much more interested in hearing all of your thoughts.

So in no particular order:

  • The venue - still amazing and just ideal for an event like this
  • Rooms - two is not enough. Even the addition of the small third room was insufficient. Three decent sized spaces with a few break-out areas appears to be ideal
  • The 20 minute experiment was interesting. It was perfect in some cases but it looks like 30 minutes is the sweet spot for most talks.
  • I have no opinion on the 40 minutes for tutorials as I missed them all. Thoughts?
  • BarCamps need self-appointed timekeepers. The overruns were not disasterous but still annoying for some. People were far too polite about stopping the overruns.
  • The no-schedule approach of BarCamp worked well. It’s something that seems to scare a lot of people but I’m 100% in favour of it. An empty grid where anyone could grab any slot. We just needed to make the system more clear in advance. I still had people asking if there “was a slot available” right up to the morning of the event. Earlybirds always do well at BarCamp!
  • The session streams were setup badly (by me). Instead of long talks outside and short talks inside, it should have been non-tech talks outside and tech talks inside. We had several instances where both rooms had tech talks on at the same time which was less than ideal for many attendees
  • The mix of talks was fantastic. Still quite tech-heavy but lots of other too. The biz ones seemed to be particularly popular. Time for a BizCamp?
  • The mix of people was a real pleasure to see. From secondary school students to grandparents, I think we had it all.
  • A constant supply of tea/coffee/water is necessary. Why can’t pay-for conferences get this right? We were very lucky that Webworks could facilitate this. Thanks again to Kay.
  • How did people feel about the mics? The reason we got them was that at BarCamp Cork 1, we couldn’t hear speakers in the open area properly due to the amount of chatter. Were all the sessions ok from an audio perspective?
  • To make BarCamp more accessible for more people, a talk like Emma Persky’s “A Geek’s Guide to BarCamping” should be the opening one at every BarCamp. It just tells newbies what it is all about and sets the tone for the day. 
  • Pre and Post events make it an even more social occasion
  • The webapp was a very worthwhile experiment and there’ll be a separate follow-up post about how that went
  • There were no complaints about wifi. A conference first?
  • The lack of a large amount of video and pics from the day is a reflection of how busy everyone was doing face2face social networking. 
But more importantly, what did YOU think?

18 Responses to "The good, the bad and the ugly"

1 | Sabrina Dent

November 9th, 2008 at 10:53 am

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On the time keeping thing, I hate to be old-fashioned about this, but a basic thing like plastic clocks from the €2 store would help. I have no idea if I overran because I had no idea what time it was!

2 | conor

November 9th, 2008 at 11:25 am

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That makes perfect sense. I love simple solutions to problems. We do need hardnosed timekeepers tho for those who refuse to stop talking :-)

3 | keith bohanna

November 9th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

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Thanks Conor. Timekeeping is essential - unstructured does not mean “whenever”!

Streaming important definitely.

I have been chatting to KenMc about another barcamp in S-E and I would love to take on Bizcamp with tech undertones if no-one else goes for it. Will discuss locally and nationally. If Dublin want it they are the next in line, otherwise… :-)

keith

4 | James Corbett

November 9th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

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I second (third?) the BizCamp idea - I’d love to see that done. And Daragh Doyle and myself are playing with the idea of doing a SocialCamp (as in Social Entrepreneurship) which we must crystalize when we meet up in December.

Just wondering about that notion of specialized Barcamps - is it the way to go? (like Podcamp, CreativeCamp, 3Dcamp). Or is there still a place for the general/broad Barcamp? (I assume there is based on the success of this one). I suppose Barcamp is just the default lable for TechCamp anyway?

[Apologies again for missing Barcamp Cork but had to work Saturday (and Sunday) when a great opportunity arose to publicise our new project.]

5 | conor

November 9th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

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I think the general ones will always be of interest to people whilst the niche ones can take the spirit of BarCamp and apply it to other completely-non-tech areas.

6 | Damien Mulley

November 9th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

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Yeah, maybe timekeepers would be good. Still, this is self-organising and there is some responsibility left to the people giving the talk.

There was a difference between people with poor timekeeping and people who thought it was more important for them to keep going for an hour than let people get away. You always have the mix of egos though.

7 | Enda Crowley

November 9th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

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There were other secondary school students there?
I know people acted like it, but that doesn’t count!! :)

8 | Des

November 9th, 2008 at 5:16 pm

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Re: time-keeping

As one of the people who went waay over, I can say that it definitely wasn’t an ego thing, I didn’t have time to rehearse or time the talk. I apologise for over running.

Clocks would help, a lot. As would a time keeper for sessions.

But I would also say that there should be a bit of flexibility, to allow for interesting Q&A sessions etc.

9 | conor

November 9th, 2008 at 5:21 pm

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So, apart from the time-keeping, anybody, anybody :-)

10 | Des

November 9th, 2008 at 11:12 pm

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Yeah, to be honest Conor, it was my first barcamp and I thought it was really well done. Everything seemed excellent.

Only improvements I’d go for would be

1. Another room.
2. Clocks (or someone responsible for telling people to STFU after their time)

Everything else worked out pretty well I thought.

11 | Justin Mason

November 10th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

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I tend to think that “de-techifying” Bar Camp is a terrible idea; fundamentally, it’s a tech thing. If you remove geekery, technology and the internet, you’ll wind up with another bunch of guys in suits talking about their businesses as if it was an episode of Dragon’s Den.

12 | conor

November 10th, 2008 at 12:50 pm

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Hey Justin, suits talking about their business were banned from BCC2. Seriously, we were quite happy to shut people down if they turned into pitch sessions. Luckily everyone got the message this time.

However one of the aims for BCC2 was to put technology in the role of the enabler rather than the subject.

We had plenty of pure tech talks which were fantastic but it was the ones about what “all this stuff” could be used for that really caught my attention. So tutorial on Django = Awesome. Use Django to build a carbon footprint caluclator = 10x awesome.

As far as removing tech from BarCamp, I think we’re talking more about running separate non-tech Unconferences which have been happening globally under the umbrella of BarCamp since the beginning e.g. WineCamp.

13 | Julian

November 11th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

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Hey. I’m a suit and I talked about my business.

14 | conor

November 11th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

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You are most definitely not a suit. And it was lunchtime :-)

15 | Joe Drumgoole

November 12th, 2008 at 1:13 am

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It rocked and rolled. You’ve put it up to us fellas in Dubin.

16 | Emma’s Guide to Great BarCamping | traveller with a tale

November 17th, 2008 at 12:47 pm

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17 | Bernie Goldbach

December 27th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

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If you want the next Barcampcork live blogged, tweeted or videostreamed, just put the marker down in the planning flow beforehand. We had a minibus full of video students who could have provided a hand in this. But the venue needs a dedicated upstream line to ensure quality and that’s always a problem at every barcamp I’ve attended.

18 | Conor O'Neill

December 27th, 2008 at 5:40 pm

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Webworks had reasonable connectivity so it probably just needed a bit of a push from us. Next one is worth trying.

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BarCamp Cork II on November 1st in Webworks is the follow-up to Ireland's first BarCamp held in 2006. It's about people getting together, sharing ideas, learning from each other and finding like-minds.

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